Wales: Is Britain really a Christian country?

WE ARE a Christian country,” proclaims bandwagon-boarder Dave Cameron, accidental PM.

To which the only reply, in true panto fashion, is: “Oh no we’re not!”

But first, Dave’s attitude towards a real Christian, the Archbishop of Canterbury, is on a par with Henry II’s towards Rowan’s illustrious predecessor Thomas Becket.

Henry moaned: “Oh who will free me from this turbulent priest?” – and we’ve all seen the movie with Burton and O’Toole, so we know what happened next. Into Canterbury Cathedral clattered the cavalry, four armoured knights brandishing broadswords, and Thomas got the chop.

I’ll bet Dave feels the same way about the turbulent priest who had the temerity to criticise government policies bringing misery to millions. But as he can hardly send a couple of backbench bruisers round to rough up Rowan, he does it the politician’s way: a bit of snide bad-mouthing.

Back to Dave’s Christmas message: “We are a Christian country.” Very pertinent at a time of year when we celebrate the birth of the founder of the entire multi-billion-pound industry, which is what religion is these days. But does our PM actually know what he’s talking about?

“The Bible,” he says, “has given Britain a set of values and morals which makes Britain what it is today. Values and morals we should actively stand up and defend.”

Does he mean the values and morals of the Old Testament, a catalogue of horror and brutality with a vengeful and appalling deity ordering massacres, genocide, child sacrifice and slavery, while visiting plagues, floods, fire and brimstone on those dissing his authority?

Or the New Testament, which begins with the Nativity? Or at least begins with the Nativity in two of the four Gospels that got past the priestly censors long ago.

Only Matthew tells us of the virgin birth, three wise men, the star and Herod’s slaughter of the innocents. Luke does shepherds and manger but no star or wise men. Nothing at all in Mark and John, which is odd since this birth is considered the most earth-shaking event in history.

If, of course, there was such a birth.

But you can’t say that, can you? This time last year the Rev John Davies, of the Brecon and Swansea diocese, announced that “one of the great fallacies perpetrated by aggressive atheists is that our faith is without foundation, that it’s all made up”. No, he said, “Christianity is rooted in the experience of real people, living witnesses whose words were distilled and detailed into the stories we possess and treasure.”

What living witnesses? The Nativity story was written by men born long after Christ’s death and was “distilled” from numerous earlier myths.

A dozen gods from Horus and Hermes to Mithras were born of virgins in stables or caves and all showed miraculous powers from babyhood – Hercules strangled a giant snake invading his cradle, and he was only a demi-god.

So the Christmas we’re looking forward to is simply a steal from the pagans’ winter solstice, celebrating the birth of the sun god a thousand years before Christ was born.

The Nativity – fact or fiction? No writer of the relevant period comments on the odd behaviour of the Gospel’s stop-start star, surely of worldwide interest.

No Roman writer mentions the census that allegedly took Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem. Herod died four years before the miraculous birth, so where does that leave the massacre of the innocents?

Christianity is based on four contradictory gospels, meaning that faith, not facts, is essential for the survival of belief in what is impossible.

Impossible? Only 60 years ago Pope Pius XII made an infallible pronouncement that the Virgin Mary had risen bodily into heaven. Faith trumps facts.

Consider the history of Christianity, then ask Cameron exactly which values and morals we should defend. Has he forgotten past persecutions, burnings, massacres of Jews and Muslims, the torture and executions all in the name of Christ?

How moral were the genocides in the Americas, the Crusades or, in later years, the exhortation “kill a Commie for Christ”?

Christian values brought 300 years of killings in Northern Ireland.

Christian morality meant death for uncountable numbers in Aids-stricken Africa because of a Vatican fatwah against contraception.

In America, zealots who murder abortion clinic doctors are applauded for their Christian morality.

If there ever was a baby Jesus, and if he could see how the religion based on his birth has become perverted to justify all kinds of evil, he’d wonder whether the whole pantomime – the only word – has been worth it.

Meanwhile, Happy Christmas.
Wales Online | Dan O’Neill | 21st December 2011

3 Responses to Wales: Is Britain really a Christian country?

  1. Gloves71

    Excellent piece! I shall be passing the link on to as many people as possible.

  2. shan Hart

    I just wanted to say you missed out mentioning Acts, Romans, Corinthians, galatians, ephesians, phillippians and so it goes on to the last book Revelations…..we must not be left thinking from this we have the old testament and the four gospels and
    Then we are stuck at the birth of Jesus.
    There is a thread connecting events and people with Gods rescue plan….the bible is an incredible letter to us from God about life, in the Old testament It tells of the beginning, how the earth was formed of man’s desire to go his own way. And how death came into our world.
    Seperating MSN from God.
    God set a group of people apart to be his people so that they would be different from other nations. They had laws to go by…..

  3. shan Hart

    was using my mobile ….

    God set a group of people apart to be his people (The Jews) so that they would be different from other nations. They had laws to go by….for that time period so that God through history could bring his son through the chosen people into the world…to be not only the jews coming messiah but the whole worlds saviour.

    if you read the passover story in Genesis and understood that the high priest would go to solomons temple once a year to sacrifice an innocent lamb on behalf of the people you would also understand that the Jews messiah was also to be a sacrificial lamb for our sins.

    on the cross when He breathed his last breath, it states the temple curtain was torn in two…
    symbolizing mankind was no longer under law but under GRACE :-)

    Isaiah 53

    1 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
    2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
    He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
    3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
    Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

    4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
    yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
    5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.

    If people took on board the truths of what Jesus said, and the letters Paul wrote to the churches of that time which is found in the new testamnt they would realize that the old law, such as stoning and levitical laws would not be in place under the new covenant….

    Many have gone out in Gods name used his name
    Matthew 7:21-23
    21 Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    22 Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?”
    23 And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”

    This means it’s easy to be religious and do things like the crusades…but it doesnt mean the individual soldiers had a relationship with him…its easy to say you are a protestant or go to church of england…it’s another living it out.
    The crusades were political and went with the ruling bodies of that day, some parts of the church of england compromise still to please man sadly.

    21 Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    22 Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?”
    23 And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”

    “The Bible,” he says, “has given Britain a set of values and morals which makes Britain what it is today. Values and morals we should actively stand up and defend.”

    It has done but as we get further away moral decline is inevitable….and the next generation will maybe be even worse….rioting stabbing, stealing, killing amongst our young…
    I’ve witnessed a girl almost raped, and a boy of 18 being shot in the head…I saw the Peckham riots this summer also.

    You want a secular society without God and his values…well go ahead but I tell you now ..
    There will be a time when there will be no rules! no laws! and nothing to control mans behaviour, no right or wrong…..it will be an awful society to live in….fear is already here on our streets…
    I pray that Gods grace and intervention in our society will curb it.

    What living witnesses? The Nativity story was written by men born long after Christ’s death and was “distilled” from numerous earlier myths.

    Thats not true, it was written by Matthew who would have known Mary very well being one of the disciples:-) she would have given him an account of what took place…..and she was definitely a living witness.

    Actually its not the nativity thats the most earth shattering news perhaps thats why it’s only matthew writing it…

    The most important thing was Jesus death on the cross…and his resurrection, so really Easter is far more important for mankind…as I explained earlier :-)
    Though his birth is a time to acknowledge when the supernatural came into the natural….God came down as man….

    As in the name of the song “What if God was one of us” he did become one of us for 33 years…

    You should read the sermon on the mount ….Matthew 5-7 its based on the Ten commandments :-) or extends on it….

    Hope you have a great new year :-)

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